Help stop this unspeakable cruelty [Archive]

rokhed00

29-09-2005, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by area on DNBA

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Right basically I think that this is fucking disgusting! I dont know if anyone has actually read about it, apparently it was in todays sun, but basically for those who have not, a french island called reunion uses a horrible fishing technique to catch sharks, they basically get puppys and dogs and put a hook through thier snout and another through thier back legs and throw them off the back of the boat (alive) and wait till a shark goes for them!!

the rspca have got a petition up and I thought that some of you would want to sign it, the petition is going to the french embassy to aks them to stop it!

the page has a disturbing picture of a labrador puppy on it so beware!

http://www.rspca.org.uk/servlet/Satellite?...ct&pg=sharkbait (http://www.rspca.org.uk/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RSPCA/RSPCARedirect&pg=sharkbait)

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I've signed it, sick wankers IMO. :angry:

Blackfox

29-09-2005, 12:23 AM

Signed.

A sick practise using live bait, and i hate the killing of sharks too.

ThePigMarcher

29-09-2005, 12:24 AM

You just beat me to it - already signed. These sick fucks need to be stopped.

Platty

29-09-2005, 12:43 AM

yeah i read about this and just cant believe such a thing goes on, what awful cruel people.

Colin

29-09-2005, 12:52 AM

I read it in the Sun today. Really sickened by it.

Signed.

Smalldude76

29-09-2005, 02:06 AM

Signed...didn't expect to see a poor dog with a big hook it its snout...that's just sickening... poor thing. The people that are doing this need to have their balls hooked, rehooked, and rehooked again then thrown to the sharks. Sick fucks.

gorrit

29-09-2005, 03:57 AM

Sure, live bait is rather horrendus(sp?), but do you have any clue what the animals on your plate have gone through? Just becouse they don't have puppy-eyes doesn't mean they can't feel. Sure, I've signed it, but it sickens me a bit that I know people get much more offended by this just becouse it's dogs.

Lammie

29-09-2005, 04:11 AM

That's totally wrong. Effing French t**ts.

On the other hand, slaughter me up some steak any day....mmmmm.

Wesley

29-09-2005, 07:36 AM

Who am I to make judgements on other people's ways of life?

I'm not signing it.

Enigma

29-09-2005, 07:49 AM

Signed.

I´m not to fond of dogs myself but that shit was a step to far.

I also read they were using cats and I love cats. It´s disgusting.

masaki86

29-09-2005, 09:35 AM

Signed; dogs are mans best friend. They depend on us, look up to us and generally love us whoever we are. This sort of thing is disgusting; animals like cats and dogs do not have a voice or a way to protect themselves from the sick people that live in this worl; that is why everyone of us should sign this petition.

Cheapshot

29-09-2005, 10:34 AM

Signed, those fucking french -- how could they do that?! :weep:

Schizoid Man

29-09-2005, 11:00 AM

Who am I to make judgements on other people's ways of life?

I'm not signing it.

Yeah you've got a point Wes, come to think of it, who are we to stop the paedophiles, rapists and other criminals from having their own way of life and doing whathever they feel is right? Bit extreme perhaps, but c'mon, in the words of Judge Dredd..."I. Am. The LAW!"

So keep your little freedom to torture animals bullshit to yourself weslie.

BGS

29-09-2005, 11:15 AM

Signed and I totally agree with wanting this to be stopped.

But, I've got a question for you all.

Why is using cats and dogs as live bait for fishing so much more shocking and digusting than using other, established forms of live bait in fishing?

Just think about it before stating the obvious. Would there be as much uproar if they used an animal we're not so familiar with?

Mr_Odwin

29-09-2005, 01:01 PM

Or rats? http://www.james.pike.dsl.pipex.com/blank.gif

Ford Prefect

29-09-2005, 01:08 PM

just bomb the fucking place, make the lot glow in the fuckeyed dark. not that there should be alot left, just a smouldering wasteland. its better than they deserve, treating animals cruely...

Hellfire

29-09-2005, 01:14 PM

These things make me really angry, how some people can be so brutal is beyond me...

Platty

29-09-2005, 01:18 PM

its man's best friend its not like putting a maggot on a hook!!

[stickied for more viewage]

Ford Prefect

29-09-2005, 01:26 PM

its not just the using the dogs as bait that gets my back up, i don't agree with shark fishing any way. tbh half the fishing practices need sorting out as they're all fucked up. especially over fishing, people may moan that cutting quotas will ruin their business etc but i think there not being any fucking fish left at all would ruin it abit more, not to mention fucking up so many more things in the envirionment.

we need to get our fucking act together and start living together with the planet, coexisting with the other life forms, not to mention the rest of the human race. all we're doing right now is living off the planet at its life, plundering it and in turn digging ourselves a hole that if it gets much deeper, we won't be able to climb out of.

link64uk

29-09-2005, 01:36 PM

signed it an agree with a lot of you that this is just wrong!

kav82

29-09-2005, 02:25 PM

funnily enough i've tried dog, it's quite nice! Shark too!

Still, signed!

Raining_again

29-09-2005, 02:33 PM

This reminded me of the topic in CE about the skinning of animals

thats just sick...dogs are so lovely! that pic of the dog on the website..nearly made me cry :( how could somebody do that. Signed the petition also :)

Domstercool

29-09-2005, 02:33 PM

I read it in the Sun today. Really sickened by it.

Signed.

Yeah same. I was in shock by it all, and the pic just made it even worse.

antster1983

29-09-2005, 02:39 PM

Signed.

This is barbaric and cruel. It must be stopped :(

dukkadukka

29-09-2005, 03:38 PM

Yeah you've got a point Wes, come to think of it, who are we to stop the paedophiles, rapists and other criminals from having their own way of life and doing whathever they feel is right? Bit extreme perhaps, but c'mon, in the words of Judge Dredd..."I. Am. The LAW!"

So keep your little freedom to torture animals bullshit to yourself weslie.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

i think it's sick, and have signed the petition but that doesn't give me, or you the right to get high and mighty about it all.

Gaijin von Snikbah

29-09-2005, 03:46 PM

SIGNED. Its amazing that we have to even tell them this is wrong.

I hope the devil have mercy on their souls.

Chris the great

29-09-2005, 04:13 PM

that is crule, but we can't judge outher cultures by our own. would you go to a middle eastern country and say "actualy, you cant have that many wives, its just not nice." or tell there police "cutting the hands off thives is wrong" in both cases, i belive that it is wrong, but its not fair to judge the standards of some one whos been brought up in a certain way by your own. in all likelyhood, these people have been raised with dogs being treated like vermin, would you feel the same empathy for a rat, or pidgeon?

havign said that, if outher cultures dont intervein, things like slavism and child prostitution are alowed to continue. I in no way, shape or form support policing the world, making every country become like a little peice of america, but things like slavery, child (and maybe even normal) prostitution and animal crulty should be irradicated from socity no matter were in the world it happens.

the fact is, humans, like all outher species of animals look out for number one, themselves. its hard to imagine a goat stopping killer whales from torturing seals before they eat them (which happenes)

simple fact of the matter is that these fishermen are killing two birds with one stone, there catching the sharks and getting rid of the problem of the stray animals. in there eyes it isnt a problem. stray dogs tend to be dangerous at best. they are desperate beasts and eat from bins, were, if dsturbed there natural reaction is to attack, imagine a small child goes to fetch a ball that has landed near one of these dogs, its natural reaction would be to attack the child, is this acceptable? not all dogs are like the ones you have at home, some are as crule and remorseless as the men who use them as bait.

still, what they are doing is torruring them. that just isnt right. i can't agree with torture, even for people who deserve it. if the dogs were dead when they were used as bait then id be less upset by it, but its a very unpleasant death.

mario114

29-09-2005, 04:49 PM

Stupid french!, (signed)- and how cruel, poor dogs and whats the sharks done, i say "go back to your snails!"

dukkadukka

29-09-2005, 04:51 PM

Stupid french!, (signed)- and how cruel, poor dogs and whats the sharks done, i say "go back to your snails!"
why didn't i work this one out earlier? of course, the perfect answer to animal cruelty is racism! it all makes sense now :indeed:

Haver

29-09-2005, 05:12 PM

Those sharks are meanies.

Tphi

29-09-2005, 05:19 PM

Signed.

The "who are we to judge" point sometimes applies, but using live dogs as shark bait is totally un-necessary.

tendosgirlfriend

29-09-2005, 05:25 PM

Signed.

Thats so disgusting. I don't eat any meat, wear leather or fur mostly because of this reason. Its sad to know what all the animals go through to get onto your plate. However I am guilty, I still eat english chicken.

Watch this, its disgusting and sickening. Its about the indian leather trade. Its got Pamela Anderson in it..haha.

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=skin-trade-ili

Kurtle

29-09-2005, 05:30 PM

Signed.

A sick practise using live bait, and i hate the killing of sharks too.

Me too, Sharks are cool. I hate it when it seems to be blamed on the shark for eating people in Cornwall n stuff!! Maybe you should get out of the fucking water you dick heads!!

(Signed)

rizz

29-09-2005, 05:31 PM

That is rather shocking :-/ Signed.

Ramar

29-09-2005, 05:33 PM

Signed.

Shocked and disgusted, I really dunno what else to say.

soag

29-09-2005, 05:37 PM

Athriller

29-09-2005, 05:41 PM

Yep, let's use the actions of a few men as an excuse to mock the entire French population. This is both logical and rational, and will solve all our problems!

soag

29-09-2005, 05:42 PM

Yep, let's use the actions of a few men as an excuse to mock the entire French population. This is both logical and rational, and will solve all our problems!

damn right it will :p

Raining_again

29-09-2005, 05:43 PM

Yep, let's use the actions of a few men as an excuse to mock the entire French population. This is both logical and rational, and will solve all our problems!

Exactly... well said mate.

things like this go on in other coutries. and this isnt the fault of all french.

im beginning to wonder why all these threads are being un-intentionally changed to flame wars :(

Ashley

29-09-2005, 05:54 PM

Signed and spread the link around. Im an animal lover and have dogs of my own so this irked me greatly.

Apple_NdiB

29-09-2005, 06:18 PM

I always thought hating the French was a genetic trait found in people of Anglo-Germanic origin?

... I signed the petition anyway, I have always had dogs and will continue to for as long as it's practical.

Grebe

29-09-2005, 06:26 PM

Is it more cruel than putting a rabbit in a fenced area with two greyhounds chasing it? I think not.

But still, yes i have signed and am totally against this.

JonSt

29-09-2005, 07:59 PM

I love animals and to see this makes me very angry, I suggest we nuke the french bastards, send in the RAF. Signed.

Wesley

29-09-2005, 08:15 PM

Yeah you've got a point Wes, come to think of it, who are we to stop the paedophiles, rapists and other criminals from having their own way of life and doing whathever they feel is right? Bit extreme perhaps, but c'mon, in the words of Judge Dredd..."I. Am. The LAW!"

So keep your little freedom to torture animals bullshit to yourself weslie.

That's cute.

Really.

I'm sorry that I have a different thought pattern to you guys, really I am.

I honestly just think, "we use live bait for fishing [worms etc], why value the life of one animal more than the other; simply because one is bigger or people find them cute?".

But really, I am sorry for not agreeing with you there.

Raining_again

29-09-2005, 08:35 PM

I honestly just think, "we use live bait for fishing [worms etc], why value the life of one animal more than the other; simply because one is bigger or people find them cute?".

seconded. i feel really guilty for killing wasps that buzz round my head now lol. theres always people ready to fight for the causes of rare/beautiful/cute animals but you dont see many people fighting for others. im not having a dig at anybody here before you all go quoting me.

dukkadukka

29-09-2005, 08:40 PM

That's cute.

Really.

I'm sorry that I have a different thought pattern to you guys, really I am.

I honestly just think, "we use live bait for fishing [worms etc], why value the life of one animal more than the other; simply because one is bigger or people find them cute?".

But really, I am sorry for not agreeing with you there.
i think the point is that a lot of us have developed emotional connections with dogs, and feel and understand a dog's pain far better than we do with a maggot or a worm. i'm not saying that it's right or wrong, just giving my explanation on this apparent hypocrisy that a lot of us have.

Cheapshot

29-09-2005, 08:42 PM

You think maggots have the same value as a dog?! Who have the mental capacity of an amoeba. :hmm:

dukkadukka

29-09-2005, 08:47 PM

You think maggots have the same value as a dog?! Who have the mental capacity of an amoeba. :hmm:
do unintellegent human beings have less value than us?

Cheapshot

29-09-2005, 08:48 PM

do unintellegent human beings have less value than us?

:hmm: C'mon you would seriously feel remorse over a dead maggot?

I mean they ATE them on a certain reality show, did you just pent up in rage after seeing that...?

Wesley

29-09-2005, 08:49 PM

So you judge a value of a life by mental capacity?

Would you judge a human with a mental disorder less than a someone who doesn't?

And dukkadukka I'm not saying you are hypocrites I'm merely explaining that I don't agree with you all.

And I understand it's because a lot fo you like dogs and have an emotional connection with them, it's fine.

But I don't.

dukkadukka

29-09-2005, 08:50 PM

i know you're not calling us hypocrites, i am ;)

Cheapshot

29-09-2005, 08:53 PM

So you judge a value of a life by mental capacity?

Would you judge a human with a mental disorder less than a someone who doesn't?

Why the fuck would I do that?! Just because I don't particually care about bloody MAGGOTS?!

Wesley

29-09-2005, 08:54 PM

Because you the comment about brain size or something [too lazy to click on page 2].

dukkadukka

29-09-2005, 08:55 PM

:hmm: C'mon you would seriously feel remorse over a dead maggot?

I mean they ATE them on a certain reality show, did you just pent up in rage after seeing that...?
no i didn't, and i'm sure most of us didn't. but i'm just questioning our motives, is it really fair for us to complain about cruelty to animals when we live in a mostly carnivorous society and wear dead animal skin on our shoes and bags, and test on animals for our own vanity. are we qualified to speak out against cruelty to animals when our economy is so reliant on the perpetual abuse of mother nature?

Cheapshot

29-09-2005, 08:58 PM

no i didn't, and i'm sure most of us didn't. but i'm just questioning our motives, is it really fair for us to complain about cruelty to animals when we live in a mostly carnivorous society and wear dead animal skin on our shoes and bags, and test on animals for our own vanity. are we qualified to speak out against cruelty to animals when our economy is so reliant on the perpetual abuse of mother nature?

Probably not, Good point.

But we should do what we can.

Offerman

29-09-2005, 09:25 PM

dukkadukka

29-09-2005, 09:28 PM

Stoping bloody argueing the lot of you.

I personally think this is wrong, and it needs to be stopped. But alot of things are wrong, and they're not stopped. They havnt been stopped in years, this isnt going to stop because of some petition - although I have signed it.
we're not arguing we're having a debate. after your performance with haver recently you're hardly in a position to preach to us when we're having a lively discussion.

Cheapshot

29-09-2005, 10:09 PM

we're not arguing we're having a debate. after your performance with haver recently you're hardly in a position to preach to us when we're having a lively discussion.

Ahahaha! Dukkadukka, you're becoming a force to be reckoned with! :hehe:

Wesley

29-09-2005, 10:10 PM

I thought we were debating ethics, too.

CoolFunkMan

29-09-2005, 10:27 PM

Sick. Fucking. Heartless. Souless. Fucking. Bastards!!!! :mad:

*signs*

How anyone can be sickl enough to use live animals as bait I have no clue. Bloody French, I think we should shove hooks through thier noses and use them as Shark bait, let them see how it feels. :mad:

DanielTimothy

29-09-2005, 10:39 PM

I understand this is sick, but WTF is with the hostility towards the french?! 'Go back to your snails' How idiotic can you get?! This in no way reflects on a whole country!

Cheapshot

29-09-2005, 10:50 PM

I met a nice French person on Phantasy Star Online once.

:o

DanielTimothy

29-09-2005, 10:55 PM

I met a nice French person on Phantasy Star Online once.

:o

Did he stick a rings through a dogs nose's and use them for bait?

Alterego

29-09-2005, 10:58 PM

Sighnd, Fucking french bastards!
we need to stop it

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Alterego

29-09-2005, 10:59 PM

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Cheapshot

29-09-2005, 11:00 PM

Did he stick a rings through a dogs nose's and use them for bait?

No he was ok; he gave me a powerful gun and everything! :D

Sighnd, Fucking french bastards!
we need to stop it

Liam... you idiot. :hmm:

Alterego

29-09-2005, 11:01 PM

then u turned round and shot him with it ^^

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Eenuh

29-09-2005, 11:05 PM

It would be nice if everyone would stop blaming the French and stuff. I mean, those people who are doing this aren't even really French in the way we know the French (Indian Ocean isn't exactly France). =/

Alterego

29-09-2005, 11:07 PM

btw just to clerify im not sayiig this towards all the french, but to the ones doing this unspeakable crewelty!!!!

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Wesley

30-09-2005, 08:32 AM

I understand it's easy for people to be drawn into the anti-French attitude, but common guys.

It's like saying that men were found to be having sex with underage children in a Pacific island that belonged to Britain [and this small civilisation were British], that all English men are "sick fucks who rape children".

[I tried my hardest to find that news piece on the internet but gave up.]

killer kirby

30-09-2005, 12:16 PM

I hate those type of people that just don't care about nature,let me be in front of one of those people that do this cruelty to dogs and cats and I would make sure that he would be shark bait and I know where I would be sticking that hook in.

Signed.

taiq

30-09-2005, 12:24 PM

I tried my hardest to find that news piece on the internet but gave up.]

It was Pitcairn Island, here's a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_sexual_assault_trial_of_2004

I agree with dukkadukka. This is a tremendous act of animal cruelty, but much worse things happen to animals raised for meat (and don't argue intelligence, pigs are more intelligent than dogs).

Dr Kong

30-09-2005, 01:55 PM

Signed.

What a sick and crule act, I hope those people are punished severely.

old_gregg

30-09-2005, 03:11 PM

Signed, sealed and delivered. :mad:

Sick F**ks :mad:

DiemetriX

30-09-2005, 03:28 PM

Signed :| STUPID PEOPLE, Makes me angry.

knightendo

30-09-2005, 03:51 PM

at the end of the day, all of this should stop! discussing the "ethics" of this is pointless, at the end of the day it's cruelty to animals and this is something we should all get behind!

i'm not blaming the french, i'm blaming the people directly responsible for this, no matter what their nationality.

shark fishing must stop too! catching these beautiful creatures just to saw off their fins and dump them alive back into the water...!!! it's the one thing i loathe more than anything on this planet!!

any fisherman on this planet who moans about quotas being forced on them has no right to complain in my opinion, maybe it'll make them use their brains to start thinking of how to make more money out of it without the over-fishing taking place! if all fishermen were forced to lower intake, prices would go up so they'd make their money anyway!

(signed by the way)

Space

30-09-2005, 03:58 PM

Completely agree knightendo.

Signed.

I tried to join the RSPCA a few months ago but they wanted me to print off a form and post it to them. Couldn't believe it, all I wanted to do was sign up to a direct debit. I'll have to try again now that I'm home and have a printer. With any luck they've updated their website to make it easier to support the cause.

dukkadukka

30-09-2005, 04:00 PM

at the end of the day, all of this should stop! discussing the "ethics" of this is pointless, at the end of the day it's cruelty to animals and this is something we should all get behind!

i think discussion of the ethics behind this is crucial, this issue brings up many questions about our motives. this will probably be banned, but drawing parallels between this and many other examples of cruelty to animals in our society, something really doesn't fit.

jayseven

30-09-2005, 04:06 PM

Why must the debate over ethics stop? Half the people are saying that this is obviously a wrong thing to do, the other half are (probably) playing devil's advocate. They're just defending the differences you will actually find in the world. As CTG said on page one (i think), we don't force our monogamous way of life onto those middle-eastern cultures where it's socially acceptable to have up to eight wives, or whatever.

Sure, it's obvious to most people (especially in our western world) that this is downright cruel, but think about the way these people live. They're a small island controlled by an overseas government on the other side of the world. You think they're well off? They have fricking stray dogs roaming the streets, what about their human rights?

May I point out NOW that I don't like this animal cruelty either, and may I also point out that I'm not too bothered arguing the case for relativist ethics (yes, I've just started studying AS Ethics/philosophy, sue me) because forcing my view that you can't force your views on others is kinda hypocritical. I'm just forcing my view that you should listen to what each other and, in particular, what Wes has been saying. Perhaps remembering the unwritten rules of debate would help you too -- Don't put someone else down just because you have a difference of opinion. I guess that covers slagging off the french.

SO yeah, i don't give a shit what your argument is for anything, it's just the manner you go about sharing it with others (and me) that matters most.

dukkadukka

30-09-2005, 04:11 PM

the other half are (probably) playing devil's advocate. They're just defending the differences you will actually find in the world.
thankyou!

(yes, I've just started studying AS Ethics/philosophy, sue me)
ooh, interesting! i'm gonna read your posts more closely from now on. they never had philosophy at our school unfortunately, i'm thinking of taking night classes though.

ThePigMarcher

30-09-2005, 04:17 PM

Valid point dukka , how many of us here would have signed if it wasn't cats and dogs but some other animal. The ethics regarding all forms of animal cruelty are a very important part of this topic and the issues it raises.

I have been a long time supporter of the RSPCA and their work , and I don't agree with any form of cruelty to animals , admittedly I have attempted to go vegetarian but have struggled , but I make a point that my meat purchases (albeit small) are purchased from places where animal treatment is as fair as possible. Don't even get me started on the issues regrding animal testing.

I can only hope that this issue has raised peoples awareness of all the other forms of animal cruelty that happen worldwide on a daily basis , and that they feel empowered to do something about it.

dukkadukka

30-09-2005, 04:24 PM

admittedly I have attempted to go vegetarian but have struggled , but I make a point that my meat purchases (albeit small) are purchased from places where animal treatment is as fair as possible.
same here, i'm not strong enough to beat my urge to eat meat, but i try to control it and make sure that even if these animals do get slaughtered for my weakness, at least they live a happy life beforehand.

just to make my stance clear to anyone who hasn't worked it out so far, i'm speaking from the assumption that this treatment of dogs as live bait is sick, but wondering where the line is where "sick" ends and "acceptable" starts. i hope no-one is misnterpreting me to be forcing my opinion on them, because if i'm honest i'm unsure what that opinion is right now.

ThePigMarcher

30-09-2005, 04:35 PM

My last post was disjointed because I had to answer the phone but I also meant to add the following :-

I can sort of understand the bashing some people have got for not signing , bearing in mind that we are only dealing with 'cute' animals in this issue , BUT , the people who refuse to sign are entitled to their opinion and should be allowed to express if freely.

They have certainly raised some intersting discussion regarding cultural differences and this is certainly an important part of the discussion (and the main reason why they should not be ridiculed for expressing their views.

Sexual Chocolate

30-09-2005, 06:31 PM

They use cats as-well, dont forget the cats, I haven't signed.

Offerman

02-10-2005, 11:46 AM

same here, i'm not strong enough to beat my urge to eat meat, but i try to control it and make sure that even if these animals do get slaughtered for my weakness, at least they live a happy life beforehand.

But thats no better - if you got hit by a speeding car tomorrow, just because you had led a happy life, would that immediatly make it ok.

The problem is people are happy to critise other peoples way of life - but will not critise their own because they know if they did, and they did something about it - then it would be detrementle too their way of life.

If you stopped eating meat then fair enough, dinner time would be pretty boring, I'l admit too that. But just because we enjoy it doesnt mean any of us can justify it.

dukkadukka

02-10-2005, 12:52 PM

The problem is people are happy to critise other peoples way of life - but will not critise their own because they know if they did, and they did something about it - then it would be DETRIMENTAL too their way of life.

have you even read any of my posts in this topic? you're just recycling my original point and you're making very little sense.

Offerman

02-10-2005, 02:12 PM

have you even read any of my posts in this topic? you're just recycling my original point and you're making very little sense.

If all your going to do is pick flaws in my spelling and grammer and try and say that its always me in the wrong then there really is no point me trying to have a conversation with you.

dukkadukka

02-10-2005, 02:23 PM

Offerman

02-10-2005, 03:24 PM

well i'm just saying that my whole point was wondering what makes our lifestyle more justifiable than theirs, and then like a week later you come along and re-iterate the same point but try to use it against me. and offerman, conversation isn't just a one-way thing.

btw, do forgive me for asking you to check your spelling every once in a while.

I wasnt referring to what you said a-week ago. I was referring to what you said on the 30th. You said that just because what you ate, lived a happy life before it was slaughtered that meant it was ok. If you can justify that - which you can, why can't you justify the ethics of other cultures butching varied animals.

dukkadukka

02-10-2005, 05:06 PM

You said that just because what you ate, lived a happy life before it was slaughtered that meant it was ok.
no i didn't. while i'm sure you want to get back at me for making you look like an ass before, twisting my words isn't the way to do it. can you just leave it now, and let this thread go back to the interesting discussion it was before.

Offerman

02-10-2005, 05:12 PM

no i didn't. while i'm sure you want to get back at me for making you look like an ass before, twisting my words isn't the way to do it. can you just leave it now, and let this thread go back to the interesting discussion it was before.

I'm not trying to retaliate or twist your words, I was mearly questioning what you said. But since I am in the wrong again, and have once again turned a placid thread into an argumentive one I'l stop.

dukkadukka

02-10-2005, 05:21 PM

always the victim :indeed:

Pancake

02-10-2005, 09:07 PM

Ideally the practice of using any live bait should be outlawed. I don't suppose it's that simple though, i mean would you arrest someone for using a live maggot as bait? You couldn't really, seeing as people are free to squish insects under their shoe.

jayseven

02-10-2005, 09:20 PM

jeez you two, get a room or something.

dukkadukka

02-10-2005, 09:38 PM

pancake, you raise an interesting point. we obviously value the life of some animals more than others', it's seen as perfectly normal to kill some animals but an atrocity to kill others. is there a certain criteria that species have to adhere to for their lives to be taken seriously? i'd love to know more about other peoples' opinions on this, do you think it's a dog's intelligence, personality, or just human-like eyes that make it more precious than a maggot?

jeez you two, get a room or something.
please don't give him any ideas.

Platty

03-10-2005, 01:19 AM

come on guys calm it down, this was simply for people who believe it is very cruel to sign it, not for a big argument to start! this discussion is a good one as it raises some good points but stop the personal attacks on each other please.

|Laguna|

03-10-2005, 02:30 AM

This is disgusting and outrageous that the people are doing this and can sleep at night. I mean live bait, it's looking up at you while you drown it and end it's life : /. Nasty nasty Frenchies. Just imagine, your own Dog/Nintendog being used to catch a bit of bloody fish. Sickening Stuff. But why on earth aren't the french government doing anything to stop this.

Wesley

03-10-2005, 07:23 AM

That's a point, has anyone heard the French government doing anything?

Also, you may be interested to know that despite me going on about not signing it, I am a vegetarian.

david.dakota

03-10-2005, 12:14 PM

A sick practice.

Signed.

LukeLee

03-10-2005, 01:22 PM

It is a cruel thing and is unnecessary. However there have been some interesting points raised.

Firstly the comments against the French are ridiculous, you shouldnt be judging a whole nation based on a select few - would you like all of Britain to be judged as fox hunters?

As for animal cruelty i see the RSPCA as one of the worst, they put down healthy animals if they dont find a home within a short time period. Companies like the Mars group (you know, Mars and Snickers) especiaaly breed animals for animal testing.

I am aware that dogs are a much loved animal here in Britain, but it is interesting how different animals are given a different value on their life - which is usually decided on "cuteness" rather than anything else. But it happens with people as well, people are given different values on their life depending on their status/background.

It's good to have a petition but there are many animal issues here in Britain which need to be addressed before we go calling other countries cruel.

Vasaris

04-10-2005, 02:50 AM

[B]Very sick indeed..I signed it..

Marshmellow

04-10-2005, 03:49 AM

sick...

*signed

Platty

04-10-2005, 02:40 PM

there is another picture in the sun today of an even younger puppy this time with a hook through its paw, the puppy has been saved and some kind people have taken it in.

also there is a story about one of the guys who uses live bait such as dogs and cats for catching sharks, he got charged with cruelty to animals and something else and he got a 3 month suspended sentence....thats it.

Bowser57

04-10-2005, 03:35 PM

there is another picture in the sun today of an even younger puppy this time with a hook through its paw, the puppy has been saved and some kind people have taken it in.

So how did that come about? I see there being two possible answers.

1. A group of animal rights folks stormed the boat and saved the pup just in time.

2. Someone just wanted to get in the paper so stuck a hook through the pup's paw and declared themself a hero.

The first explanation seems unlikely as the animal rights folks are probably veggies, so a bit pasty, skinny and not really in any state to be stealing puppies off weather hardend fishermen after having boarded their boat.

Whatever happened we can conclude that people are terrible the world over.

Platty

04-10-2005, 10:18 PM

i dunno but here is the pics... i wont post the image just the link incase people dont wanna see the images

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005460101,00.html

SHOCK new pictures of a pup used as shark bait were revealed yesterday as the man behind the atrocity walked free from court.

The little labrador had a wired hook driven through a paw so it could be dragged through the sea to attract sharks.

It is a different pup to the one pictured in The Sun last week with similar hooks in its snout and leg.

Our exposé of the horrors inflicted on strays on French-controlled Reunion Island, near Mauritius, led to the court appearance of Jean-Claude Clain, 51.

The dad of three was convicted of cruelty. But more outrage erupted yesterday after he escaped with a puny three-month SUSPENDED jail sentence.

Paul Littlefair of the RSPCA said: “We would have hoped for a far stronger deterrent. This is very disappointing.”

More than 33,000 Britons have signed an RSPCA petition demanding an end to the savagery.

The pup in our pictures is recovering and has been adopted by a family.

Athriller

04-10-2005, 10:29 PM

Could the sun possibily be stirring up shit for the sake of attention and selling more copies?!

No, not them. Never. I love how they angelize themselves.

Platty

04-10-2005, 11:30 PM

i dont think they would use such a story to sell copies, infact the story was a small article near the end of the paper. the headline was about george best. im not defending the sun or anything but they do seem to be the only paper that cares about this.

bah whatever.

Colin

04-10-2005, 11:48 PM

While we're all going on about how the french are cruel, I think some of us need to take a look at what goes on here.

The below article was taken out of The Sun today (4/10), and just goes
to show how sick some apparently British people can be.

I'll leave you with this.

Girl's Cat > a dirty Pit Bull Terrier > chavs

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005460119,00.html

I just don't know how some people can come to do these sort things. :weep:

Enigma

05-10-2005, 12:08 AM

mario114

05-10-2005, 02:13 PM

why didn't i work this one out earlier? of course, the perfect answer to animal cruelty is racism! it all makes sense now :indeed:

I was only joking around, with a stertype that we have against them, but it's true that i belive the act is both stupid and cruel. I won't say thats rasist i would say your getting a bit too p.c.

dukkadukka

05-10-2005, 03:17 PM

I was only joking around, with a stertype that we have against them, but it's true that i belive the act is both stupid and cruel. I won't say thats rasist i would say your getting a bit too p.c.
well considering this is a european website, i wouldn't want any possible french members to keep away from the forum because of comments like yours. if that's being too p.c. then fair enough, but i'm just expressing my opinion.

Bluejay

05-10-2005, 04:19 PM

well considering this is a european website, i wouldn't want any possible french members to keep away from the forum because of comments like yours. if that's being too p.c. then fair enough, but i'm just expressing my opinion.
Well said. Also, i signed a while ago but I haven't said anything as my opinion is the same as the majority in this thead.

mario114

05-10-2005, 05:48 PM

well considering this is a european website, i wouldn't want any possible french members to keep away from the forum because of comments like yours. if that's being too p.c. then fair enough, but i'm just expressing my opinion.

fair do, well sorry if anone took offence, but it is kinda of upseting seing those images, and as a dog owner it seemed to be really poor taste.